Curse

eudas · Jun 29, 2007, 01:13 PM // 13:13

This has probably already been said before, but here it is again:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

eudas

Patrick Smit · Jun 29, 2007, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by Surena

Modern Psychology disagrees. Certain traits and features are genetically manifested and cannot be altered by bad or good parenting. The "you're a product of your social environment" bullshit is old. People from families with a high level of social intelligence and parental caring (mind my English) can still suffer from "Neuroticism" and thus be very likely to express their instability through violence or hatred, drug abuse etc...

If they were blacks insulting whites and thus you (if you're white) I am sure you'd be calm and not call it racism because you most likely suffer from guilt complexes.

A HEAVY percentage of GW's population is made up by younger people < 18 years but the other immature part is made up by retarded adults who misbehave in order to counterbalance whatever they lack in life.

its not only genetics, nor only nurture, its both. The debate has been long going on, but from genetic experiments in model systems (which has very little to do with psychology) we can easily conclude that genetics form a basis upon which behavior is based and can be adjusted by associative learning. Behavior that consistently results in negative feedback (being reprimanded) will be stopped in the end. why is there so much bad behavior still, simply because we do not act early and fast enough for the targets to correlate both. And conscience is usually not as strong compared the genetic learning systems. There is just a small percentage of cases which probably can't control their behavior, the big majority was probably not taught well.

thor hammerbane · Jun 29, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

One thing I need to say; It isn't always kids. I'm not an adult yet, per se, I'm only 17. You would never find me in Random Arenas District one shouting profanities or racial slurs, but yet, people stereotype by age. I've seen 12 year olds who are more mature than 20 year olds, the problem here isn't age; it's simply maturity. That jazz about revoking children's rights is funny; why not revoke the rights of the minorities, and women at that matter? Let's just take a big step back in time, we won't need to worry about Guild Wars all together, might as well throw your computer out the window.

Mai · Jun 29, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

No ingame gms or moderation = current state of gw local chat

I'm sorry but reporting someone through the site is just a joke.

Age has nothing to do with maturity as some have said, I've seen mature 10 yr olds and immature 20+ through the various MMOs I've played.

Hawkeye · Jun 29, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Well kids are getting more and more spoiled. There's always the group of brats who are always buying the new games because mom gives them money for nothing. Then in the game, it of course has to be the absolute best, or it's a piece of junk so they complain a lot.

It ruins it for the rest of us gamers who actually have lives and don't have money to buy the latest video card or the latest computer or both...

It's becoming more and more the norm in society that parents are supposed to be friends to their children and that's not the way it should be, damnit!

Make your kids do homework. Make them work for the money to buy games. We'll see how profane they are after they are finished mowning the lawn outside.

Commander Ryker · Jun 29, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Immaturity is not an age, it's a state of mind. I've seen more kids act in a mature way then some adults I know.

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Originally Posted by pnumm

You've never been young, have you?

Age has nothing to do with being mature or immature. Playing games, video or otherwise allows us to be childlike while still maintaning a level of maturity.

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Originally Posted by Buster

Kids will be kids, its just that simple.

Being foul mouthed is not kids being kids.

Verek · Jun 29, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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It's becoming more and more the norm in society that parents are supposed to be friends to their children and that's not the way it should be, damnit!

QFT.

You'll not hear any complaint from me, I know this is a bit off topic but, Parents are 'Parents' not Brother, Sisters, best friends...etc.
We have two ( 14 & 16) and I would hope that neither of them would be any different online than they would be in any other social occasion.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 29, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Verek

QFT.

You'll not hear any complaint from me, I know this is a bit off topic but, Parents are 'Parents' not Brother, Sisters, best friends...etc.
We have two ( 14 & 16) and I would hope that neither of them would be any different online than they would be in any other social occasion.

That should apply to everyone, if you wouldn't do in a real life situation don't do it in game. If you act like that in real life shame on you.

pamelf · Jun 29, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

As an adult who plays GW, I find that the graphic comments that I hear in many locations is really uncalled for. I am not a prude by any means, but have learned there is no place in a public area for some of the things I see. I don't really see how it can be controlled short of constant screen shots and reporting to ANET.
Now I am assuming that most of this is coming from kids as I hope any adults would have a little more common sense. I know that this is not all young people for we have in our guild many very nice kids, but does anyone have any ideas on how to control the problem children?

I apologize, I may have mis-stated. I should said are immature people hurting the game. At my age (59) most all of you who play are kids, but noone should condone the type of conduct that some people think is cute or funny. I ask all of you who may be an offender or a condoner, would you talk like that in front of your family? In most cases I think not, if if you do shame on you and your family.

The web is a huge community. People of all ages act stupidly precisely because they can. It's not about being polite, or kind, or considerate. On the internet you play a character, especially since we're in an MMORPG. People can say things and do things they would never think about saying and doing in a social situation, and personally I'd prefer they say the ridiculous things they're saying on the net rather than on the streets.

If someone's really offensive whisper them politely, if they continue, screen shot and report. If they're just a little bit annoying ignore it and continue enjoying the game. If it's in local chat, turn it off. If it's in a mission, no one would think worse of you for leaving if you're offended.

Absinth187 · Jun 29, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Immaturity is not an age, it's a state of mind. I've seen more kids act in a mature way then some adults I know.

Age has nothing to do with being mature or immature. Playing games, video or otherwise allows us to be childlike while still maintaning a level of maturity.

I agree that older age does not automatically constitute maturity. However, maturity does develop over time through experiences, trials and errors, etc. I thought I knew it all when I was 18, but I didn't. I wasn't a screw-up, but I still had a lot to learn. I wouldn't say age has "nothing" to do with being mature.

There are numerous factors that make up each individual (i.e. age, gender, religion, upbringing, etc.). It would be difficult at best to try and label groups of people in an online game.

Neo Nugget · Jun 29, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

I don't see a problem with them if you just *looks around* ignore them.

Commander Ryker · Jun 29, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Oh for the love of god, get off your high horse. The web is a huge community. People of all ages act stupidly precisely because they can. It's not about being polite, or kind, or considerate.

So that makes it acceptable?

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Originally Posted by pamelf

On the internet you play a character, especially since we're in an MMORPG. People can say things and do things they would never think about saying and doing in a social situation, and personally I'd prefer they say the ridiculous things they're saying on the net rather than on the streets.

If they said those kinds of things on the streets, they would get their ass pounded in to the ground.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

If someone's really offensive whisper them politely, if they continue, screen shot and report.

Oh yeah, like that works.

assassin_of_ni · Jun 29, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

<---19

i see people younger than me who are quite mature and personally am astonished by it. i also see people the same age or older than me who are just completely immature lil punks...its not so much an age issue as it is just the general community. not everyone is always going to be nice, just figure it that those who are being the immature ones will get what they have coming and let what must be, be. they can be banned if enough people report with screenies if the person is just being a flat out bastard being racist, sexist, gay bashing, harrasing, etc etc. but if its just cussing and nothing major then they 9 times outta 10 wont do anything since the profanity filter was implemented into the game for said reason. just my opinion anyways

Divinus Stella · Jun 29, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Turn off local chat if it bothers you, i don't have a problem with how other people behave, but perhaps my perspective will also become warped by the time i'm picking up my pension at the post office.

[M]agna_[C]arta · Jun 29, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Well kids are getting more and more spoiled. There's always the group of brats who are always buying the new games because mom gives them money for nothing. Then in the game, it of course has to be the absolute best, or it's a piece of junk so they complain a lot.

It ruins it for the rest of us gamers who actually have lives and don't have money to buy the latest video card or the latest computer or both...

It's becoming more and more the norm in society that parents are supposed to be friends to their children and that's not the way it should be, damnit!

Make your kids do homework. Make them work for the money to buy games. We'll see how profane they are after they are finished mowning the lawn outside.

Unlike other Children I am not Spoiled^^!
I am not that Materialistic, Example I do not want a Cellphone while most Kids do. Even if my Mom asked me if I want I said no^^!
But I don't work for money^^!
And I have a Private Tutor of my own^^!

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Originally Posted by thor hammerbane

One thing I need to say; It isn't always kids. I'm not an adult yet, per se, I'm only 17. You would never find me in Random Arenas District one shouting profanities or racial slurs, but yet, people stereotype by age. I've seen 12 year olds who are more mature than 20 year olds, the problem here isn't age; it's simply maturity. That jazz about revoking children's rights is funny; why not revoke the rights of the minorities, and women at that matter? Let's just take a big step back in time, we won't need to worry about Guild Wars all together, might as well throw your computer out the window.

Raises hand Proudly and Happily^^!

Stellar SixTen · Jun 29, 2007, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by the_jos

The only thing I do hear from time to time are namecallings like gay. That's not racism, but very closely related.

I see anything-everything-everyone being called "gay" in this game, and it really bothers me. Mainly because I am gay. Once in FOW, I was in a PUG and we got in and were fighting from get-go, no time for the bonder to cast all his enchants, or the rit to lay down his Spirits. We survived, at which point the Necro in the group said "that spawn was so gay." Didn't raise an eyebrow in the group. Now if the same situation were repeated, and I said "that spawn was so black" (which I wouldn't), I would expect a sound flaming (and rightly so) and maybe to be kicked from the group.
I am in my late twenties. When I was growing up, in the eighties, we as kids did use "gay" as a catch-all perjerortive term, I guess to replace "retarded" which was popular before, but deemed insensitive. I am really disappointed that after 20 years, kids,(as we are calling them in this thread), haven't progressed to the point of finding a better "cool" word to use to express distaste rather than "gay". Also, I am utterly dismayed that "retard" or "tard" or "(insert noun here)-tard" has made its way back into socially acceptable slang.

FalconDance · Jun 29, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Agreed - it's not just "kids" who act/talk like they're spoilt little potty-mouth brats.

Agreed - it's a game and no one should have the absolute authority to dictate behavior to another.

Agreed - there is a certain standard for polite society - and indiscriminate cursing, graphic sexual innuendos/talk/etc, or racial/societal/national slurs should not be tolerated.

I realize I could simply uncheck Local. And, sadly enough, I've been doing it more and more. BUT that means I also miss the opportunity to HELP newbies or others with questions, tips, suggestions, pointers, etc. And that penalizes ME for others' inability and unwillingness to conduct themselves in a relatively mature manner.

I could also add numerous names to my Ignore list - but again, feeling the need to take that action penalizes ME for other's inability and unwillingness to conduct themselves in a relatively mature manner.

On ocassion I've commented on such behavior in Local, "shaming" the offender mildly. Usually it doesn't work.

Reporting them doesn't work.

Ignoring them doesn't work.

So what you're saying is I should either give them the satisfaction of limiting my own game (unchecking Local) or ignoring them. Hmmmm.

<--- almost 44, started the game at 42. Oldest child (the one who showed us all GW) is now 24, the youngest 17, middle son's still active in GW at 19. I never accepted the described behaviors from them growing up - why should I accept or enable it from others now? Why should I feel forced to just because it's an online game and global?

~Falcon

Ps: Under the US Constitution, only adults have any constitutional rights. Children do not. Strange little factoid.

mikez himself · Jun 29, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

[ ]Local [V]GUild [V]Team [ ]Trade [V]Allience [ ]Emotes

QFT

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Whining is hurting the game more, IMO.

QFT

you immdiately assume that its kids behind all the insults flying around? you'd be suprised at the amount of adults who have attitude problems. Its like LOL, my local game shops manager plays css with me, hes 27 and about as immature as it gets in game, out of game hes completely different.
why care? ignore it.
society's facked, live with it.

Roshi_ikkyu · Jun 29, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Why should people have to alter their game play to allow something that is against the EULA. I think you have things a little skewed. The simple solution is for people to follow the rules and all would be well. I am not the one dictating, you signed an agreement to follow the rules, so just do it.

Ok what is against the EULA?
Your original post was flawed. You failed to show any real questionable behaviour. Instead played with pathos appealing comments about children and restrictions.

Your final comment, a clear ploy appealing to morality and embarrsement, is evident of the flaw.

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if if you do shame on you and your family.

Very fitting taking a virtual situation into a real world institution (in a social mechanisms sense), playing on emotions.

You then proceed to ignorantly blame children, and seek a remedy. How do u even know who or what ages these offenders are?

You conveniently offer your age, no doubt as a means to appeal to Authority. But the age of offenders can't be confirmed, hench the 'Child' tag imposed is for what purpose. Are we to identify these individuals as deviants threatening the arete elements of ethos ( threating our virtues, morality and goodness)

And finally what rules have these people broken? Graphic comments! Your only mention of any kind of specific detail is graphic comments. To which standards do we measure graphic comments? Yours, My own, the Churchs!

As far as I know the game is rated 12yrs+, That adds censorship to the age and a warning to parents.

But where would this enforcement of general chat cease? Political issues, vulgar words, personal ideals, language differences (Most Australians use the S word often in a non-insultive manner, Same with the F word, more a kin to a verbal !). And the severity of these word are relative to usage.

I was so lazy I just couldn't be F-ed
F you, go get F-ed
That last GvG was just f-ed

Language filters already exist within the game to prevent the exposure of certain words.

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Why should people have to alter their game play to allow something that is against the EULA.

That point has yet to be proven!

assassin_of_ni · Jun 29, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Ps: Under the US Constitution, only adults have any constitutional rights. Children do not. Strange little factoid.

yeah no kidding...yet why is it that children (being age 17 and under) can be punished for infringing on said rights. hypocricy much?